Starting an Apprenticeship? Do's and dont's?

topic posted Thu, August 21, 2008 - 11:54 AM by  Jahvan
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So, I have been building a studio with a friend (accomplished lamp-worker) and we are in the process of ironing out the details of a formal agreement. Things like Duration, Percentages, Non-competition ect... We have set up a 1 year contract consisting of a $1200 upfront fee, and 10% of all my sales for the 1 year period. She is afraid of making me into competition at the end of the contract, regarding her "trademark" goods... I certainly have no intention of taking her livelihood away by utilizing the skills taught. I have been scouring the internet to find some sort of standard with apprenticeships and non-compete with glassblowers, with no avail. Any input, or experiences you guys can offer would be greatly appreciated!
Bless,
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Jahvan
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    Re: Starting an Apprenticeship? Do's and dont's?

    Sun, September 21, 2008 - 2:37 PM
    Why don't you just spend the 1200 bucks on your own equipment, a book and a class? All this "apprenticeship" stuff just seems like a scam to me, and always seem to be offered by glassblowers who have the least talent (in my experiences). Work on your own for awhile, that's how you develop a STYLE. Take classes from a variety of people whos work you admire.
    • Re: Starting an Apprenticeship? Do's and dont's?

      Mon, September 22, 2008 - 7:39 PM
      Thank you for your input~ I hear ya, but I do like the experience of being with a partner out there, we inspire each-other. I get to learn the basics, then add on.... creating an independent style. I have not had the "rent a Class" opportunity yet, but I cant imagine it offering as much guidance and practical application as the daily one on one sessions you get with an internship setup.
      But, again, I thank you for responding. And- wow man, great stuff! I really like the light-work pieces!
      Keep it on the up&up~
  • Re: Starting an Apprenticeship? Do's and dont's?

    Sat, September 27, 2008 - 3:01 PM
    my experience has been that you sign an agreement for non-competition (for a specific time period...1-2 years), but never have i had to put $$ upfront to apprentice. well, i needed to buy a piece of equipment once...but that was equipment and it was mine when we were done.

    but that is MY experience. i wish you well!
    • Re: Starting an Apprenticeship? Do's and dont's?

      Mon, March 16, 2009 - 12:57 AM
      apprenticeships are a scam
      • Re: Starting an Apprenticeship? Do's and dont's?

        Mon, March 16, 2009 - 8:03 PM
        Well, as an employer of other glass artists I've never had an "apprentice" per se, but I have had many paid employees who had to be taught from scratch. If you, as an apprentice, have to PAY for an apprenticeship, then you are being robbed. In most big studios an apprentice is either working on a labor-for-studio-access barter or, at least, making minimum wage to open doors, take latte orders, and run bit & pontils. Any future "risk" the apprentice poses to the artist/employer is a risk that needs to be shouldered by the artist/employer. To be frank, I have little respect for artist/employers who take that position in the first place. First off, most experienced artist/employers know full well that any assistant who is worth his/her salt will inevitably learn what they can from you and then go off to do their own thing eventually. That's just the nature of the game. It's something that you have to accept as an employer if you want to hire good people. (The alternative is to hire crappy employees who never learn and never go away.) The best that you can do as an employer is to teach whatever you can to the best of your abilities and try to create a working atmosphere that people will want to stick around for. A good artistic partnership can grow naturally from a situation like that. Even if your employee/apprentice eventually leaves you for greener pastures you can still part on good terms and even benefit from having made that contact. In summary, I have NEVER asked anyone to pay ME to be my apprentice...that strikes me as haughty and I was turned-off by that kind of attitude when I was new to the glass scene.
        If you are serious about glass, you would be better off moving to Seattle and getting a paying gig as a glassblowing assistant with one of the many studios there. Pick your favorite Seattle artist/studio and make friends with one of the crew...newbies are always hired based solely on personality and who they know in the network. They will start you with low pay and bullshit work, but if you stick with it and make some inroads with the staff, you can work your way up the food-chain. Personally, I tried the whole "apprenticeship" gig back in the 90's when I first caught the glass bug and it was not my cup-o-tea. It got real old real fast. But, hey...I'm impatient and I've always been a little too independent to enjoy making work for someone else. When you bust your rump for a couple of weeks in return for access to the hotshop and then get bumped from your blow-slot at the last minute, you start to rethink the whole labor/barter-apprenticeship deal. I wound up just biting the bullet and paying out-of-pocket for classes and blow-time at Pratt Fine Arts. I went on to do my own thing a LOT faster than I would have had I kept to the apprenticeship-track. After one year of classes and renting blow-slots I was picked up by a gallery and I never looked back. Long story short, apprenticeship is really not worth the hassle unless you can swing one with a big name like Martin Blank, Lino, or one of the other Pilchuck Legends. Having an apprenticeship like THAT on your resume carries a LOT of weight. But apprenticing for some Jane who slings beads and who maybe has a couple of year's head-start on you (at most) will be a waste of your time and energies. If you really want to be a glass artist for the rest of your life, spring for the classes. You can't skimp on your dreams, y"know?

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